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		<title>By: Eat the Damn Cake &#187; I want a ceasefire in the mommy wars</title>
		<link>http://www.eatthedamncake.com/2012/01/30/the-tiger-mom-talks/comment-page-1/#comment-56289</link>
		<dc:creator>Eat the Damn Cake &#187; I want a ceasefire in the mommy wars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 15:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] draw an income from work they do while staying at home, attachment style parenting vs. hands off, supposed Tiger Mom parenting vs. supposed helicopter parenting. I think there are maybe dragon parents and dog parents too? [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] draw an income from work they do while staying at home, attachment style parenting vs. hands off, supposed Tiger Mom parenting vs. supposed helicopter parenting. I think there are maybe dragon parents and dog parents too? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jiminy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jiminy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope there will be many of you in the world in which my kids are growing up. People who see the shades and give others credit for trying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope there will be many of you in the world in which my kids are growing up. People who see the shades and give others credit for trying.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Mandy 
I&#039;m in awe of her, too! I feel lazy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mandy<br />
I&#8217;m in awe of her, too! I feel lazy.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandy</title>
		<link>http://www.eatthedamncake.com/2012/01/30/the-tiger-mom-talks/comment-page-1/#comment-50334</link>
		<dc:creator>Mandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I discovered, when I was in my thirties, that it&#039;s the people who are not naturally talented at something, but work really hard at it until they &quot;get&quot; it who are my heros.
Like the very stiff, not terribly coordinated lady, who started martial arts training in her fifties.  At first, she could barely crouch low enough to do a forward roll.  It was painful to watch.  But she was determined, and kept working at it until she earned her black belt.  I&#039;m in awe of her.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I discovered, when I was in my thirties, that it&#8217;s the people who are not naturally talented at something, but work really hard at it until they &#8220;get&#8221; it who are my heros.<br />
Like the very stiff, not terribly coordinated lady, who started martial arts training in her fifties.  At first, she could barely crouch low enough to do a forward roll.  It was painful to watch.  But she was determined, and kept working at it until she earned her black belt.  I&#8217;m in awe of her.</p>
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		<title>By: Eat the Damn Cake &#187; how important is romance?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eat the Damn Cake &#187; how important is romance?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] But neither of us is very romantic. Love is easy. Romance seems harder. Or am I doing that dichotomy thing I said was a bad idea in the last post? [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] But neither of us is very romantic. Love is easy. Romance seems harder. Or am I doing that dichotomy thing I said was a bad idea in the last post? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dustwindbun</title>
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		<dc:creator>dustwindbun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ugh, I cringe to think of any parent putting their child through what I put myself through as a child. Somehow (even though it wasn&#039;t true) I convinced myself that my parents required me to be perfect, like the tiger mother stereotype. 
I suppose it didn&#039;t help that that 95%/5% thing someone mentioned above, I had other students do that to me. (Had a dude once tell me that clearly he was smarter than me because he got right the one question i missed on a test - and he&#039;d failed otherwise. Kids are dicks.)
My main issue with the &quot;hard work is more important than talent&quot; thing is that for me, when I failed at something, that meant I wasn&#039;t good enough, that I was worthless, because if it were just hard work, shouldn&#039;t anyone be able to do it? what was wrong with me? if it was just talent, well then i couldn&#039;t be blamed for not having it. it didn&#039;t make me as worthless to have failed without talent then.
I guess it comes down to, you have to be extra careful with kids with mental-health issues; I didn&#039;t find out what was wrong with me (ADHD/depression/obsessive) until I&#039;d beaten myself up so much mentally that I eventually started hallucinating from the neurochemical strain and almost got diagnosed schizophrenic.
argh, got carried away making it all about me. but yes, if your kid be crazy, there&#039;s really no way to be the right kind of parent (my parents are great). you just have to adapt to your specific child.



so glad I&#039;m not having kids. I would break them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh, I cringe to think of any parent putting their child through what I put myself through as a child. Somehow (even though it wasn&#8217;t true) I convinced myself that my parents required me to be perfect, like the tiger mother stereotype.<br />
I suppose it didn&#8217;t help that that 95%/5% thing someone mentioned above, I had other students do that to me. (Had a dude once tell me that clearly he was smarter than me because he got right the one question i missed on a test &#8211; and he&#8217;d failed otherwise. Kids are dicks.)<br />
My main issue with the &#8220;hard work is more important than talent&#8221; thing is that for me, when I failed at something, that meant I wasn&#8217;t good enough, that I was worthless, because if it were just hard work, shouldn&#8217;t anyone be able to do it? what was wrong with me? if it was just talent, well then i couldn&#8217;t be blamed for not having it. it didn&#8217;t make me as worthless to have failed without talent then.<br />
I guess it comes down to, you have to be extra careful with kids with mental-health issues; I didn&#8217;t find out what was wrong with me (ADHD/depression/obsessive) until I&#8217;d beaten myself up so much mentally that I eventually started hallucinating from the neurochemical strain and almost got diagnosed schizophrenic.<br />
argh, got carried away making it all about me. but yes, if your kid be crazy, there&#8217;s really no way to be the right kind of parent (my parents are great). you just have to adapt to your specific child.</p>
<p>so glad I&#8217;m not having kids. I would break them.</p>
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		<title>By: melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ooh I also don&#039;t believe in &quot;natural talent&quot;. To suggest so is to undermine all of the work that a person does for their craft. I remember in high school when I just happened to be better at drawing than other kids (doesn&#039;t mean &quot;great&quot;, though lol), I used to get a lot of whiny comments about how they wish they could do it and that it wasn&#039;t fair they weren&#039;t able to.

Not fair? 

Not fair that I&#039;d done all of the assignments they&#039;d skipped, paid attention in class, practiced endlessly outside of class and did all of my homework? 

People look at skills and assume they can&#039;t do it because they&#039;re thirty and they haven&#039;t magically been able to do it yet so it must not be something they were &quot;meant&quot; to do. What hogwash. I honestly find it kind of offensive when people think I was just gifted with it. 

Like how it would be offensive if I landed an awesome job and someone said to me &quot;oh, that isn&#039;t fair, they probably hired you because you&#039;re an easy lay&quot; or something. Pretty much the same thing.

Anyway, I can&#039;t really comment on my upbringing or anything... but I thought the tiger mom book was written as a satire? And just that no one got it? And that people are raging about nothing?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ooh I also don&#8217;t believe in &#8220;natural talent&#8221;. To suggest so is to undermine all of the work that a person does for their craft. I remember in high school when I just happened to be better at drawing than other kids (doesn&#8217;t mean &#8220;great&#8221;, though lol), I used to get a lot of whiny comments about how they wish they could do it and that it wasn&#8217;t fair they weren&#8217;t able to.</p>
<p>Not fair? </p>
<p>Not fair that I&#8217;d done all of the assignments they&#8217;d skipped, paid attention in class, practiced endlessly outside of class and did all of my homework? </p>
<p>People look at skills and assume they can&#8217;t do it because they&#8217;re thirty and they haven&#8217;t magically been able to do it yet so it must not be something they were &#8220;meant&#8221; to do. What hogwash. I honestly find it kind of offensive when people think I was just gifted with it. </p>
<p>Like how it would be offensive if I landed an awesome job and someone said to me &#8220;oh, that isn&#8217;t fair, they probably hired you because you&#8217;re an easy lay&#8221; or something. Pretty much the same thing.</p>
<p>Anyway, I can&#8217;t really comment on my upbringing or anything&#8230; but I thought the tiger mom book was written as a satire? And just that no one got it? And that people are raging about nothing?</p>
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		<title>By: Tiptoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiptoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I should also add that later I did develop low self-esteem, depression, eating disorder, etc.  I don&#039;t blame my parents in the least, but I do know with my probable genetics (unknown) and the environment I lived in, played a role.  That took me years to get past that, feel like 
I was in actual recovery, etc.

Eventually, all kids have to be able to stand on their two feet.  I don&#039;t think there is a right or wrong way of parenting, but like I said above, taking into account a child&#039;s personality I think is significant.  I believe in structure, rules, trying to be your best, etc., I think in my work with dogs, I&#039;ve learned quite a lot about the positive reinforcement model of training.  This isn&#039;t only for animals but relates to humans as well.  It&#039;s something we don&#039;t do enough of in general.  I was a bit odd in that I was lavished with R+, but in the end, I just never believed it, because I didn&#039;t really believe in myself enough.  But the majority of the time, I think it is the former. Anyway, just going off on a tangent now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should also add that later I did develop low self-esteem, depression, eating disorder, etc.  I don&#8217;t blame my parents in the least, but I do know with my probable genetics (unknown) and the environment I lived in, played a role.  That took me years to get past that, feel like<br />
I was in actual recovery, etc.</p>
<p>Eventually, all kids have to be able to stand on their two feet.  I don&#8217;t think there is a right or wrong way of parenting, but like I said above, taking into account a child&#8217;s personality I think is significant.  I believe in structure, rules, trying to be your best, etc., I think in my work with dogs, I&#8217;ve learned quite a lot about the positive reinforcement model of training.  This isn&#8217;t only for animals but relates to humans as well.  It&#8217;s something we don&#8217;t do enough of in general.  I was a bit odd in that I was lavished with R+, but in the end, I just never believed it, because I didn&#8217;t really believe in myself enough.  But the majority of the time, I think it is the former. Anyway, just going off on a tangent now.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiptoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiptoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great blog!!

This book has been on my reading list for awhile, especially after the original Wall St. post came out about it.  I followed it for quite awhile and gathered the same thinking you did when you saw her in person.  I really think a lot of it depends on the child and their personality.

For me, the whole expectations issue of parents has been hard.  I&#039;m Asian but was adopted.  My mother was not a tiger mom in the least, but my father was with expectations.  It didn&#039;t help in that I was already a perfectionist and worked really hard.  But many times, I never felt like my hard work really paid off as I always knew kids who hardly studied for something and then aced the test where I got a B.  I began to become a bit disillusioned at the hard work concept though I still am by nature.

As for my father, he always wanted to instill in me that I could do anything I wanted, but truly, it was me who realized I really couldn&#039;t.  It took a long time for him to realize that I was not going to med school, that I had a fear of taking a GRE test, and that my life path would not match the one he had dreamed of for me.  So instead, what did I become if it was not a doctor, psychiatrist, lawyer, judge, etc.?  I became a professional dog trainer.  It is certainly not the money making profession a doctor would be (I sill love medicine in general but do not want to go back to school for it), but I am happy (will be moreso when my business truly gets going--only off the ground for 3 months).  And in the end, he couldn&#039;t be happier for me, though he still occasionally throws in the &quot;so have you finished those med school applications yet?&quot;  I see it as a joke now but it took me a long time to get to that point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great blog!!</p>
<p>This book has been on my reading list for awhile, especially after the original Wall St. post came out about it.  I followed it for quite awhile and gathered the same thinking you did when you saw her in person.  I really think a lot of it depends on the child and their personality.</p>
<p>For me, the whole expectations issue of parents has been hard.  I&#8217;m Asian but was adopted.  My mother was not a tiger mom in the least, but my father was with expectations.  It didn&#8217;t help in that I was already a perfectionist and worked really hard.  But many times, I never felt like my hard work really paid off as I always knew kids who hardly studied for something and then aced the test where I got a B.  I began to become a bit disillusioned at the hard work concept though I still am by nature.</p>
<p>As for my father, he always wanted to instill in me that I could do anything I wanted, but truly, it was me who realized I really couldn&#8217;t.  It took a long time for him to realize that I was not going to med school, that I had a fear of taking a GRE test, and that my life path would not match the one he had dreamed of for me.  So instead, what did I become if it was not a doctor, psychiatrist, lawyer, judge, etc.?  I became a professional dog trainer.  It is certainly not the money making profession a doctor would be (I sill love medicine in general but do not want to go back to school for it), but I am happy (will be moreso when my business truly gets going&#8211;only off the ground for 3 months).  And in the end, he couldn&#8217;t be happier for me, though he still occasionally throws in the &#8220;so have you finished those med school applications yet?&#8221;  I see it as a joke now but it took me a long time to get to that point.</p>
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		<title>By: Claire Allison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire Allison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 06:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My mother was the working parent and my father the stay at home in my childhood. It was a bit weird, since we were the only people like that, and it definetly made her more hands-off. I think though, what people sometimes forget or overlook, is that once an adult&#039;s work situation changes, her relationship to her children can and will change too. That is good and normal. Now that she&#039;s retired she bakes, cooks and spends a lot of time trying to see to our emotional needs, despite me being far away and my sister out of the house. Her parenting hasn&#039;t stopped just because we&#039;re 26 and 29- and strangely I think it&#039;s morphed into a more conventional motherhood, that really, she wouldn&#039;t have been happy to do when we were tots. Don&#039;t get me wrong, she still baked and cooked and did a lot of mom things when we were little and she was working, but she wasn&#039;t the primary caregiver. She didn&#039;t want to spend her thirties and forties consumed in motherhood, and she never would have been happy with that as her sole identity. I worry that when someone commits to primary caregiving there&#039;s this ridiculous assumption that it should be their only identity- and that more than tiger moming is a scary notion. Now that we don&#039;t need a primary caregiver, as adults, there&#039;s more room for us to just focus on caring in a reciprocal way. Like you said, Kate, it&#039;s not a dichotomy, and I think it&#039;s good to focus on teaching children to care for their parents as well as parents caring for them, in a responsible age-appropriate way. You don&#039;t do the dishes because the kitchen is messy- you do them cause mom or dad had a hard day at work and they need a break.  

My dad on the other hand works now, and he gets taken care of in a way that he didn&#039;t have when we were growing up and she was at work. In a lot of ways we all have to sort of help take care of him a bit more since he was so focused on us in our youth. It&#039;s not like it&#039;s payback, but it is important for me, and my relationship with him, to be more about being adults who like similar things and can be candid and open, then to be father-daughter like. Thus we curse at each other a lot, and when mom insists he hug me at the airport it is so very, very strange.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mother was the working parent and my father the stay at home in my childhood. It was a bit weird, since we were the only people like that, and it definetly made her more hands-off. I think though, what people sometimes forget or overlook, is that once an adult&#8217;s work situation changes, her relationship to her children can and will change too. That is good and normal. Now that she&#8217;s retired she bakes, cooks and spends a lot of time trying to see to our emotional needs, despite me being far away and my sister out of the house. Her parenting hasn&#8217;t stopped just because we&#8217;re 26 and 29- and strangely I think it&#8217;s morphed into a more conventional motherhood, that really, she wouldn&#8217;t have been happy to do when we were tots. Don&#8217;t get me wrong, she still baked and cooked and did a lot of mom things when we were little and she was working, but she wasn&#8217;t the primary caregiver. She didn&#8217;t want to spend her thirties and forties consumed in motherhood, and she never would have been happy with that as her sole identity. I worry that when someone commits to primary caregiving there&#8217;s this ridiculous assumption that it should be their only identity- and that more than tiger moming is a scary notion. Now that we don&#8217;t need a primary caregiver, as adults, there&#8217;s more room for us to just focus on caring in a reciprocal way. Like you said, Kate, it&#8217;s not a dichotomy, and I think it&#8217;s good to focus on teaching children to care for their parents as well as parents caring for them, in a responsible age-appropriate way. You don&#8217;t do the dishes because the kitchen is messy- you do them cause mom or dad had a hard day at work and they need a break.  </p>
<p>My dad on the other hand works now, and he gets taken care of in a way that he didn&#8217;t have when we were growing up and she was at work. In a lot of ways we all have to sort of help take care of him a bit more since he was so focused on us in our youth. It&#8217;s not like it&#8217;s payback, but it is important for me, and my relationship with him, to be more about being adults who like similar things and can be candid and open, then to be father-daughter like. Thus we curse at each other a lot, and when mom insists he hug me at the airport it is so very, very strange.</p>
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