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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://www.eatthedamncake.com/2012/04/24/the-women-who-dont-care/comment-page-1/#comment-55992</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 20:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s not un-liberated to love clothing and makeup, to want to stay home with your kids. Those choices are just as valid as their counterparts. They’re not inherently weak, they’ve just been portrayed as such by a society that has valued masculinity over femininity. That’s my main critique of modern feminism: I think it stab itself in the back by promoting “masculine” pursuits as worthier.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s not what &quot;modern feminism&quot; is about.  There&#039;s nothing wrong with liking clothing and makeup, nothing wrong with being a mother.  

The problem is when a) those things are required in order to be Femininity Compliant, and b) those things are socially devalued BECAUSE c) they&#039;re socially defined AS WOMANLY.  

Yes, the constant social pressure on women to look and behave a certain way is a patriarchy thing.  It&#039;s another form of busywork designed specifically to keep us from getting anything else accomplished.  Things like getting the respect women deserve as human beings because we&#039;re human beings, no matter what we look like or what we do.

IF we like makeup and clothes that doesn&#039;t make us bad people.  It&#039;s not a virtue and not a vice.  But it can also be another source of pressure and judgment because, again, it&#039;s a sneaky way of pitting women against each other so we WON&#039;T hang together on the important stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It’s not un-liberated to love clothing and makeup, to want to stay home with your kids. Those choices are just as valid as their counterparts. They’re not inherently weak, they’ve just been portrayed as such by a society that has valued masculinity over femininity. That’s my main critique of modern feminism: I think it stab itself in the back by promoting “masculine” pursuits as worthier.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s not what &#8220;modern feminism&#8221; is about.  There&#8217;s nothing wrong with liking clothing and makeup, nothing wrong with being a mother.  </p>
<p>The problem is when a) those things are required in order to be Femininity Compliant, and b) those things are socially devalued BECAUSE c) they&#8217;re socially defined AS WOMANLY.  </p>
<p>Yes, the constant social pressure on women to look and behave a certain way is a patriarchy thing.  It&#8217;s another form of busywork designed specifically to keep us from getting anything else accomplished.  Things like getting the respect women deserve as human beings because we&#8217;re human beings, no matter what we look like or what we do.</p>
<p>IF we like makeup and clothes that doesn&#8217;t make us bad people.  It&#8217;s not a virtue and not a vice.  But it can also be another source of pressure and judgment because, again, it&#8217;s a sneaky way of pitting women against each other so we WON&#8217;T hang together on the important stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Cara</title>
		<link>http://www.eatthedamncake.com/2012/04/24/the-women-who-dont-care/comment-page-1/#comment-55990</link>
		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 19:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Caring, and being aware of ourselves as physical bodies in the world, is important&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why?  Just curious.  Why is it important?  To whom? In what sense?

I&#039;m one of the uncaring.  Not because I don&#039;t care about people (I do), but because I don&#039;t care about...nothing.

I bathe, I comb and style my hair, I brush my teeth, my clothes are clean and fit.  Period.  I only do that to avoid actively offending other people--so I don&#039;t stink, so they don&#039;t have to look at hanging boogers or things in my teeth when they look at me.  The rest is...why?  Why on earth would it matter?  

I even get to have regular, joyful sex with my boyfriend.  What do I care what a bunch of strangers think on first glance?  When they&#039;re no longer strangers they usually like me, whether I like them or not.  

I guess I&#039;m one of the ones that just doesn&#039;t get it.  Off to change the world.  Don&#039;t wait up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Caring, and being aware of ourselves as physical bodies in the world, is important</p></blockquote>
<p>Why?  Just curious.  Why is it important?  To whom? In what sense?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m one of the uncaring.  Not because I don&#8217;t care about people (I do), but because I don&#8217;t care about&#8230;nothing.</p>
<p>I bathe, I comb and style my hair, I brush my teeth, my clothes are clean and fit.  Period.  I only do that to avoid actively offending other people&#8211;so I don&#8217;t stink, so they don&#8217;t have to look at hanging boogers or things in my teeth when they look at me.  The rest is&#8230;why?  Why on earth would it matter?  </p>
<p>I even get to have regular, joyful sex with my boyfriend.  What do I care what a bunch of strangers think on first glance?  When they&#8217;re no longer strangers they usually like me, whether I like them or not.  </p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m one of the ones that just doesn&#8217;t get it.  Off to change the world.  Don&#8217;t wait up.</p>
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		<title>By: Marylou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marylou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 14:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who is in the field of computer science, I am very aware of this daily struggle.  But yes, I take the time to self-groom, if you will. Nails, waxes, hair cuts, facials, exercise. And when I go out with my girlfriends, I care about what I look like. At the same time, when I&#039;m working, I&#039;m so engrossed in my work that I forget to eat, let alone shower. And I love it all.

I think it&#039;s possible to have a balance. I think it&#039;s possible when you have an understanding, acceptance, and respect for what your own personal body is capable of. And its limits. And I love your blog because it helps me to remember those things and to keep telling myself that I&#039;m actually Awesome the way I am.

The Unroast idea is my favorite. :) Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who is in the field of computer science, I am very aware of this daily struggle.  But yes, I take the time to self-groom, if you will. Nails, waxes, hair cuts, facials, exercise. And when I go out with my girlfriends, I care about what I look like. At the same time, when I&#8217;m working, I&#8217;m so engrossed in my work that I forget to eat, let alone shower. And I love it all.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s possible to have a balance. I think it&#8217;s possible when you have an understanding, acceptance, and respect for what your own personal body is capable of. And its limits. And I love your blog because it helps me to remember those things and to keep telling myself that I&#8217;m actually Awesome the way I am.</p>
<p>The Unroast idea is my favorite. <img src='http://www.eatthedamncake.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tuesday Teasers: Stuff I&#8217;ve Been Reading [#8] - The Pursuit of Harpyness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tuesday Teasers: Stuff I&#8217;ve Been Reading [#8] - The Pursuit of Harpyness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 12:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: morgaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>morgaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*stabs</description>
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		<title>By: morgaine</title>
		<link>http://www.eatthedamncake.com/2012/04/24/the-women-who-dont-care/comment-page-1/#comment-55538</link>
		<dc:creator>morgaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Why are we still talking about beauty and fashion and gender? Let’s talk about real stuff. Let’s talk about the rest of it.”

Beauty, fashion, and gender *are* real, though. Traditionally female occupations and interests are considered lesser because of their association with femininity, not through any inherent frivolity. Makeup and clothes, objectively speaking, are art. So are quilts and tapestries, which have historically been considered craft, because &quot;high&quot; art was restricted to men. That doesn&#039;t make them intrinsically less gorgeous. 

I&#039;m with you on wishing women&#039;s issues weren&#039;t so separate. I study Latin at university, and I&#039;m pre-law. I also love clothing with an almost unhinged passion. It bothers me to hear people renounce fashion as &quot;shallow&quot; and &quot;materialistic&quot;, as though the exploration of color, texture, and shape weren&#039;t art. I wish people weren&#039;t so surprised that I can translate Ovid and also put together a kickass outfit. The women&#039;s movement, while allowing women admirably greater access to traditionally masculine pursuits, has also put femininity, to some degree, on the back burner. It&#039;s not un-liberated to love clothing and makeup, to want to stay home with your kids. Those choices are just as valid as their counterparts. They&#039;re not inherently weak, they&#039;ve just been portrayed as such by a society that has valued masculinity over femininity. That&#039;s my main critique of modern feminism: I think it stab itself in the back by promoting &quot;masculine&quot; pursuits as worthier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Why are we still talking about beauty and fashion and gender? Let’s talk about real stuff. Let’s talk about the rest of it.”</p>
<p>Beauty, fashion, and gender *are* real, though. Traditionally female occupations and interests are considered lesser because of their association with femininity, not through any inherent frivolity. Makeup and clothes, objectively speaking, are art. So are quilts and tapestries, which have historically been considered craft, because &#8220;high&#8221; art was restricted to men. That doesn&#8217;t make them intrinsically less gorgeous. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you on wishing women&#8217;s issues weren&#8217;t so separate. I study Latin at university, and I&#8217;m pre-law. I also love clothing with an almost unhinged passion. It bothers me to hear people renounce fashion as &#8220;shallow&#8221; and &#8220;materialistic&#8221;, as though the exploration of color, texture, and shape weren&#8217;t art. I wish people weren&#8217;t so surprised that I can translate Ovid and also put together a kickass outfit. The women&#8217;s movement, while allowing women admirably greater access to traditionally masculine pursuits, has also put femininity, to some degree, on the back burner. It&#8217;s not un-liberated to love clothing and makeup, to want to stay home with your kids. Those choices are just as valid as their counterparts. They&#8217;re not inherently weak, they&#8217;ve just been portrayed as such by a society that has valued masculinity over femininity. That&#8217;s my main critique of modern feminism: I think it stab itself in the back by promoting &#8220;masculine&#8221; pursuits as worthier.</p>
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		<title>By: Sooz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sooz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 16:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so like you it&#039;s ridiculous. I care sooooooooooooooo much about what others think and I am trying soooooooooooooo hard not to. 

Btw, I laughed sooooooooooooooooo hard while reading this post. I&#039;ve had a hard week and this was a good stress reliever.

Love your blog. Love this post. Love you. The End.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so like you it&#8217;s ridiculous. I care sooooooooooooooo much about what others think and I am trying soooooooooooooo hard not to. </p>
<p>Btw, I laughed sooooooooooooooooo hard while reading this post. I&#8217;ve had a hard week and this was a good stress reliever.</p>
<p>Love your blog. Love this post. Love you. The End.  <img src='http://www.eatthedamncake.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Lisa F
I&#039;ve had the same thought about Steve Jobs.</description>
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I&#8217;ve had the same thought about Steve Jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do I sometimes wish I were more powerful, or, perhaps, bolder?  Yes. 

Do I ever wish I were ruder?

NO.

I am reading the new biography of Steve Jobs, who was clearly one of the most creative and rudest people in business.  And I keep thinking that no matter how innovative or cool Apple products are, does reading about Jobs&#039; capacity to be rude, to bully, to insist, to get his way make me want to be more like that?

HELL NO.

It makes me realize that he was a dick.  A creative, innovative dick.

And I don&#039;t want to be anything like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do I sometimes wish I were more powerful, or, perhaps, bolder?  Yes. </p>
<p>Do I ever wish I were ruder?</p>
<p>NO.</p>
<p>I am reading the new biography of Steve Jobs, who was clearly one of the most creative and rudest people in business.  And I keep thinking that no matter how innovative or cool Apple products are, does reading about Jobs&#8217; capacity to be rude, to bully, to insist, to get his way make me want to be more like that?</p>
<p>HELL NO.</p>
<p>It makes me realize that he was a dick.  A creative, innovative dick.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t want to be anything like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 11:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My theory is that, to a lesser or greater extent, we all care and all, on some level, very far from oblivious.  But there are situations that we feel comfortable with distancing ourselves from and others in which we feel exposed.  Where we can create distance we give ourselves the permission and freedom to be whoever we damn well choose and where there is uncomfortable exposure or vulnerability we tend to question everything - what they say, what I say.. what the bird in the tree said and why.  And the oddest thing of all is that one day a situation can make us confident and the next day, the same scenario can be crippling.  I believe it all depends on where we are in our own heads and knowing that wherever that is, because we&#039;re human and learning and vibrant, it&#039;s a non constant state that we have to learn to observe and flow with, putting emphasis mainly on the stuff that makes us feel good rather than getting hung up on thinking about the things that make us question who we are.  Change and growth are the two constants.  And all the most interesting people are a mass of personality contradictions and thoughts.  Mad like the ocean - one day calm and the next thrashing...  ... change is always the thing. I think.  x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My theory is that, to a lesser or greater extent, we all care and all, on some level, very far from oblivious.  But there are situations that we feel comfortable with distancing ourselves from and others in which we feel exposed.  Where we can create distance we give ourselves the permission and freedom to be whoever we damn well choose and where there is uncomfortable exposure or vulnerability we tend to question everything &#8211; what they say, what I say.. what the bird in the tree said and why.  And the oddest thing of all is that one day a situation can make us confident and the next day, the same scenario can be crippling.  I believe it all depends on where we are in our own heads and knowing that wherever that is, because we&#8217;re human and learning and vibrant, it&#8217;s a non constant state that we have to learn to observe and flow with, putting emphasis mainly on the stuff that makes us feel good rather than getting hung up on thinking about the things that make us question who we are.  Change and growth are the two constants.  And all the most interesting people are a mass of personality contradictions and thoughts.  Mad like the ocean &#8211; one day calm and the next thrashing&#8230;  &#8230; change is always the thing. I think.  x</p>
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